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Extremely really cramped engine bay lengthwise. yeah, had already figured that out ... it was a tongue in cheek post, that I really did not make clear ... my poor In reply to spitfirebill: I included that factor due to the fact that when I needed to find a substitute 4.9 for my F150, I needed to go via each in every junkyard in South Jacket to discover one that had not been sludged up actually severely.
Bernie: Which is a far better van, while we're going to talk about a few concerns of these vans, yet I I'm plainly not going to come out and state one is much better than the other. Bernie: Well, they're basically the exact same vehicle.
They appear to be a little a lot more utilized because location, yet, you understand, those are some of the usages, however they're basically the same classification of vehicle. Mark: So, well, let's begin with engines then. What issues do you see in between these 2 vehicles? Bernie: Yeah. Allow's talk regarding engine and actually just to define that the model years, we're going to begin from 2000 and up, you understand, I suggest, these vans have been around for a lengthy time.
And, you know, for a version of a Chevy van has been around given that, you understand, around that time too. So we're not going to obtain back into, into the earlier stuff. Since 2000, I suggest, Ford's, you can get these with V6 engines or V8s. V8s are a lot more prominent and I would not truly suggest a V6 engine.
So, you recognize, Fords, and a lot of them feature the Triton V8. There's a great deal of issues with these engines. In the earlier 2000 ignition system with impact to these engines, due to the fact that they really did not have adequate threading in the trigger plug, which triggered issues. And typically that would certainly happen when you may be in a 15 traveler bus rising a hillside with a lots of people and all of an abrupt boom, an ignition system pops out and you're stranded.
So if you're acquiring anything from probably 08 and more recent, you're not going to have that type of ignition system concerns. Other areas though, with the Fords that we see, consumption manifolds will leak, they'll establish coolant leaks. It's a plastic manifold generally you need to change the entire thing.
And there's some problems, the Ford engine I need to claim in their favour, because I'm speaking about issues, it's an extra sophisticated engine. Expenses webcam, so you're getting even more power and efficiency out of the engine than you would certainly on a Chevy, which is a simpler layout with press rods.
They're just truly quite great, sturdy, solid engines. You know, being a van, naturally, you recognize, doing any type of solution on them is more challenging since you have actually reached get rid of that cover and obtain into maintenance in unusual ways. Points like spark plugs last a terrible lengthy time, so they do not need to be replaced very usually.
Mark: Can you purchase these vans with diesel engines? The Fords have actually had diesels in them for a long time, like means back prior to the 2000 version year.
You know, that's still offered. If you're a say, I don't recognize, I'm just going to state a plumbing and you've obtained like a whole lot of heavyweight inside your van and you're lugging a trailer behind it, that would certainly be a really good use of having a diesel powered van.
In all fairness, it appears like the diesels are, they appear to have much less troubles in vans than they perform in the vehicles. Most likely due to the fact that they aren't worked so hard, yet when points occur, they're really costly to take care of. We've obtained a great deal of video clips and info concerning diesels, particularly the Fords.
So you actually require to hesitate about obtaining a diesel in a van. That's my recommendation. Mark: Yeah, so suitable for objective, make certain that you're suitable the engine that you're purchasing for the purpose that you're endeavouring to accomplish. Bernie: Yeah, precisely. And I will state, Chevy is quite much limited to V8 engines, however Ford has a V 10 engine as well, which is an impressive gas guzzling engine.
Yet if you're, and once more, we're simply chatting about sort of a straight, routine cargo van right here. The diesel most definitely isn't the most effective option. Take a look at your objective, your usage, just how much weight you're hauling which'll aid you make the choice. Mark: What regarding the transmission and the remainder of the drive train? Bernie: They're practically equivalent.
One point that we have not spoken about right here is what sort of van. These vans are, and it depends on what model, they're offered ever before from half load to one load framework and actually a few of the cutaway vans are actually even a lot more durable, like, you know, 450s and 550s for say the Fords.
Bernie: You know, I'm going to give the edge to Ford on this one. And the reason for Ford is that it's a little less complex.
There's much less steering affiliation involved in a Chevy. Do Chevy's, however it appears, and the Chevy's possibly last a little longer than the Fords, but the, you understand, the steering affiliation is a lot less challenging, so there's much less components and much less things to wear out.
The ride in a Ford is most likely a bit much more truck like but I don't understand if you 'd really ever truly observed a distinction in between both. It appears like their components are a little tougher on the Ford than the Chevy. Mark: What about brakes? Bernie: Brakes are virtually the exact same, yet I will state that it seems like with Fords, the method they build their brake calipers, that they tend to need to be replaced almost whenever you do a brake work.
For one reason or another, they seem to last for one brake task. And afterwards a great deal of times we take the brakes off and state, Oh, the dirt boots torn, and so the caliper requires to be replaced. I think on a Ford and you can anticipate to spend a bit even more cash on brakes and you can on a Chevy.
And I can, I'm going to swerve back before the 2000 version years, there were some Chevy vans that had really negative doors. I suggest, the sliding doors were crap, you know, actually severely built. In fact, I would claim that if you are also looking at something older, it appears like Chevy and GMC vans actually and their vehicles as a whole truly took a leap forward in top quality around the 2000 version year, due to the fact that there was a great deal of stuff where the brakes for circumstances would certainly not last long whatsoever.
However if we're checking out the 2000 newer, I suggest, I would certainly state they're both probably basically equivalent in quality, fit and coating, you understand, a few of the passenger vans, of program we'll have nicer visits than the freight vans. But I can't say that one of them stands out to me a little bit more than the various other.
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